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Musta Tornius
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.26 16:50:00 -
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(12:05:33)|Musta_Tornius>with the ADS on mass drivers you can go to a range of about 180m but I haven't managed to damage anything beyond 139m
(12:05:57)|Musta_Tornius>so why does it display information that far if the absolute range is only 139m?
(12:06:26)|Musta_Tornius>you know I'd stop asking range information if you guys just released the offical values :P btw I'm still waiting for you to pop by my thread, it's going to be 9 months soon now!
(12:06:32)|[CCP]Wolfman>by ads do you mean the taregt intel?
(12:06:44)|Musta_Tornius>https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886&find=unread
(12:06:45)|Musta_Tornius>yeah
(12:07:03)|Musta_Tornius>I'm pretty sure the md nades explode at around 140m
(12:07:24)|Musta_Tornius>might be bad testing though, could do with rechecking once I find a volunteer
(12:07:36)|[CCP]Wolfman>projectiles have a lifetime and i dont think the target intel is taking it in to account
(12:07:51)|Musta_Tornius>indeed they do
(12:08:03)|Grit_Breather>Ooo look it's [CCP]Wolfman
(12:08:11)|Musta_Tornius>I was just wondering where the seemingly random 180m comes from, maybe if they flew in a straight line rather than an arc they'd make it to 180m
(12:08:12)|Grit_Breather>Who is now master of guns AND vehicles
(12:08:15)|Grit_Breather>\o/
(12:08:42)|[CCP]Wolfman>well the target intel does use a line check, it's not using an arc with the MD
(12:08:51)|Musta_Tornius>that's most likely that then
(12:08:57)|[CCP]Wolfman>Im pretty sure it's just using the rnage and not the time setting
(12:09:02)|[CCP]Wolfman>I can check tomorrow
(12:09:28)|Grit_Breather>[CCP]Wolfman, does the plasma cannon still have no projectile life?
(12:09:36)|Grit_Breather>As in, infinite range
(12:09:40)|Musta_Tornius>is there any meaning behind that? not all weapons have different absolute ranges from their effective ranges anyway
(12:09:53)|Musta_Tornius>I thought plasma cannon flew in an arc, how can it be infinite range?
(12:10:38)|[CCP]Wolfman>plasma doesnt have infinite life
(12:10:53)|[CCP]Wolfman>it has a lifespan of 6 seconds
(12:11:02)|Grit_Breather>That's harsh
(12:11:14)|Grit_Breather>Is it being made better for 1.4/1.5? :)
(12:11:26)|Grit_Breather>As it's not really useful right now
(12:11:28)|Musta_Tornius>oh wolfman there is one big thing I want to show you
(12:11:47)|[CCP]Wolfman>we'll look at all the AV weapons as part of the vehicle work
(12:11:54)|[CCP]Wolfman>cant touch one and not touch the other
(12:12:17)|Musta_Tornius>http://i.imgur.com/SeduLE7.png look at that please [CCP]Wolfman
(12:12:20)|[CCP]Wolfman>that is more likley to be in 1.5
(12:12:27)|Grit_Breather>Understood
(12:12:31)|Musta_Tornius>you can't say that it's completely fine like that
(12:12:58)|Grit_Breather>Photon decay?
(12:13:13)|[CCP]Wolfman>funny, I was just looking at that
(12:13:20)|Musta_Tornius>can't we have a curve towards the absolute range instead of that horrible linear line
(12:13:25)|Musta_Tornius>from the optimal
(12:13:54)|Grit_Breather>Musta_Tornius, I'm not sure light behaves that way
(12:14:03)|[CCP]Wolfman>I think it needs some more work
(12:14:04)|Musta_Tornius>doesn't matter, I'm after gameplay balance here :P
(12:14:11)|Musta_Tornius>and making lasers fun again \o/
(12:14:17)|Grit_Breather>That graph looks a lot like digital signal decay
(12:14:20)|[CCP]Wolfman>well the new scope helps
(12:14:24)|[CCP]Wolfman>and the ads is faster now
(12:14:48)|Grit_Breather>[CCP]Wolfman, anything you can say about schedules for weapon customisation?
(12:14:54)|Grit_Breather>Scopes would be nice ;)
(12:15:03)|Musta_Tornius>maybe do the drop to 100m instead of 89 would help a bit without raising the power of the laser
(12:15:43)|Musta_Tornius>or change the laser to a really long ddistance one with optimal at 80-100m instead
(12:15:45)|[CCP]Wolfman>weapon customisation is a big system, that's not going to be for a while
(12:16:14)|Musta_Tornius>I don't know why I even bother anymore, I haven't touched the laser since uprising, it's all about the forge and hmg for me. Btw I think you've done a good job with the forge
(12:16:20)|Musta_Tornius>I think it's just right atm
(12:16:37)|Musta_Tornius>only problem is the dropships made out of paper
(12:16:38)|Grit_Breather>[CCP]Wolfman, when you balance vehicles... Keep in mind that a lot of the issues currently come from the very small maps
(12:16:43)|[CCP]Wolfman>lots of opinons about that right now
(12:16:49)|Grit_Breather>Don't make vehicles good for small maps and then useless for large engagements
(12:16:55)|[CCP]Wolfman>Im ok with it as well for now
(12:17:21)|[CCP]Wolfman>oh god
(12:17:22)|Musta_Tornius>you mind if we copy paste what you say here onto the forums?
(12:17:30)|Musta_Tornius>ppl crave information as you know
(12:17:52)|[CCP]Wolfman>i think Ive already said this on the forums
(12:17:58)|[CCP]Wolfman>at least most of it
(12:17:58)|Nova|Uploading>Wolfman should get us a screenshot of that thing he was telling us about
(12:17:59)|Musta_Tornius>possibly
(12:18:01)|Nova|Uploading>;)
(12:18:17)|[CCP]Wolfman>a screenie of the laser?
(12:18:19)|Grit_Breather>Us Nova|Uploading? So far he's only told you :P
(12:18:20)|Nova|Uploading>si
(12:18:34)|Nova|Uploading>He's told everyone!
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Musta Tornius
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
529
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Posted - 2013.07.26 16:50:00 -
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(12:19:18)|Musta_Tornius>wolfman give us a teaser what the caldari or gallente heavy weapons will be far in the future
(12:19:30)|Musta_Tornius>or damage type they inflict or anything!
(12:19:32)|Musta_Tornius>let me dream
(12:19:52)|Bendtner92>What race does the FG belong to?
(12:19:53)|Musta_Tornius>sorry amarr not caldari
(12:19:58)|Musta_Tornius>to the squids
(12:20:15)|[CCP]Wolfman>well it's a scrambler... something
(12:20:21)|Musta_Tornius>oooooooooooh
(12:20:29)|Musta_Tornius>I did think it would be
(12:20:35)|Bendtner92>Gallente will be a short range plasma something
(12:20:41)|[CCP]Wolfman>the gallente one is really interesting
(12:20:53)|Musta_Tornius>sounds like a multifunction one
(12:21:04)|Bendtner92>[CCP]Wolfman will the Amarr weapon be AV mostly? Because we kind of need an anti-shields AV weapon :P
(12:21:58)|[CCP]Wolfman>not exclusively AV
(12:22:08)|Musta_Tornius>it would be cool if the hmg was a little better at av, just a tiiny tad
(12:22:11)|Grit_Breather>Bendtner92, we also need an anti-shields infantry weapon :P
(12:22:20)|Musta_Tornius>flux nades!
(12:22:25)|[CCP]Wolfman>scrambler rifle
(12:22:28)|Grit_Breather>Flux MD would be nicer
(12:22:32)|Bendtner92>Alright
(12:22:32)|Musta_Tornius>flux md would be sick
(12:22:43)|[CCP]Wolfman>thought about that
(12:22:46)|Grit_Breather>[CCP]Wolfman, you can't honestly say shields are armour get pounded the same
(12:22:56)|Grit_Breather>Armour has a lot more insta-kill weapons
(12:23:26)|Musta_Tornius>any thoughts on making explosive weapons have less damage at the edge of their splash envelope like nades have currently?
(12:23:33)|[CCP]Wolfman>explosives can be unkind
(12:23:40)|[CCP]Wolfman>we're looking at the balance atm
(12:23:54)|Grit_Breather>Also [CCP]Wolfman, who do we cry to about armour tanking still not being good for infantry? :)
(12:24:09)|[CCP]Wolfman>me
(12:24:21)|Bendtner92>Also Wolfman, according to that weapon devblog explosive weapons are supposed to have 80/120% damage to shields/armor right?
(12:24:23)|[CCP]Wolfman>we're looking at it atm
(12:25:17)|Bendtner92>They're more like 70/130 now though
(12:25:36)|Grit_Breather>Field reports say the MD is 65/135
(12:25:48)|Grit_Breather>Or at least that's what Cat_Merc claims
(12:25:52)|Bendtner92>Yeah something like that, and I think all the explosives are like that
(12:26:12)|Musta_Tornius>I got it at 70 but cat is claiming some strange numbers that really need to be double checked
(12:26:19)|Musta_Tornius>aaaaaaaaah I have a super question for you [CCP]Wolfman
(12:26:39)|Musta_Tornius>a big explosion right at your feet say splash radius 10m, would it damage your head too at a higher efficiency percentage=
(12:26:55)|Musta_Tornius>or is it all to your body?
(12:27:34)|Musta_Tornius>because explo weapons like md do more damage to heads, so you can get headshots with them
(12:27:39)|[CCP]Wolfman>should be 80/120
(12:27:47)|Musta_Tornius>it's not 80 / 120
(12:27:55)|[CCP]Wolfman>im looking at the MDs surface interaction right now
(12:28:16)|Bendtner92>Fixing it so that it's 80/120 would help armor out a little though
(12:28:16)|Musta_Tornius>ads information reveals it to be 70/130 or so and cat mercs testing says it would be even lower than 70
(12:28:25)|[CCP]Wolfman>ill check
(12:28:52)|[CCP]Wolfman>splash will hit the nearest part first, so in that case it should hit your feet :-)
(12:28:57)|[CCP]Wolfman>not your head
(12:30:20)|Musta_Tornius>thank you glad to hear the clarification on that
(12:30:29)|Grit_Breather>So splash only hits the nearest part?
(12:30:36)|Grit_Breather>Or does it continue up?
(12:30:54)|[CCP]Wolfman>it checks vs a number of sockets on the model
(12:31:05)|[CCP]Wolfman>damage is dealt to the first one it hits
(12:31:16)|Musta_Tornius>great, no 2nd dmg to the head then
(12:31:21)|[CCP]Wolfman>nope
(12:31:34)|Musta_Tornius>question, are large railgun turrets shots hitscan or projectiles?
(12:31:46)|Musta_Tornius>they seem strange at times, some tank driver prolly knows the answer but I don't :P
(12:31:56)|[CCP]Wolfman>projectiles, we're considering switching them to hitscan
(12:32:11)|Musta_Tornius>wouldn't make a big diff really I guess
(12:32:13)|Musta_Tornius>save on resources
(12:32:35)|Nova|Uploading>The biggest change you could make to railguns is not have them have be effective up to like 600m
(12:33:03)|[CCP]Wolfman>melee railguns!
(12:33:23)|Bendtner92>Also small Railguns need better effiency against vehicles :P
(12:33:24)|Nova|Uploading>They outclass pretty much everything atm, to the point where they can pretty much safely hide super far back and be untouchable to anything except other railguns
(12:34:19)|Nova|Uploading>and in a game of rock paper scisccors, needing rock to counter rock seems kinda meh
(12:35:58)|Grit_Breather>[CCP]Wolfman, how about swords? Give us Nova swords!
(12:36:05)|Grit_Breather>Knives are just silly :)
(12:39:01)|Musta_Tornius>a bit on a useless question but, how are you going to make the racial knives different from one another?
(12:39:24)|Grit_Breather>Some will be good for butter
(12:39:30)|Grit_Breather>We're getting lunchboxes
(12:39:33)|[CCP]Wolfman>speed, power, stuff like that
(12:39:57)|Grit_Breather>Armour/shield differences for knives?
(12:40:18)|[CCP]Wolfman>that's soemthing we could consider
(12:40:33)|Grit_Breather>I think it would make them more unique and less confusing |
Musta Tornius
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
529
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Posted - 2013.07.26 16:52:00 -
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(12:41:41)|Grit_Breather>[CCP]Wolfman, any more light AV options coming?
(12:42:24)|[CCP]Wolfman>none planned atm
(12:49:48)|Nova|Uploading>http://db.tt/XDDFpYNW : Latest Cast514, with CCP wolfman
(12:49:56)|Nova|Uploading>and ccp hybrid
(12:56:37)|[CCP]Wolfman>ok, have a good one.
(12:56:51)|Musta_Tornius>you too
(12:56:55)|Musta_Tornius>thanks for stopping by
(12:57:18)|[CCP]Wolfman>yeah I'll try and stop by more
(12:57:27)|Musta_Tornius>that would be awesome, you got a lot of answers :P
(12:57:44)|[CCP]Wolfman>but now I have to go and eat a little lamb
(12:58:04)|Musta_Tornius>enjoy
(12:58:15)|[CCP]Wolfman>cheers, cya
That is as much formatting I'm willing to apply to an irc conversation. It was nice to see Wolfman again, he hasn't been on for a few months, and when he is, he always answers peoples' questions regarding mechanics etc.
Anyway hope you found something of interest in the conversation. |
Musta Tornius
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
529
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Posted - 2013.07.26 17:01:00 -
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http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/ <- choose coldfront from the server drop down and enter a nick and go to channel #dust514
I would suggest getting a real IRC client and connect to irc.coldfront.net and then go to channel #dust514 |
Musta Tornius
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
529
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Posted - 2013.07.26 17:02:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Musta Tornius wrote:http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/ <- choose coldfront from the server drop down and enter a nick and go to channel #dust514
I would suggest getting a real IRC client and connect to irc.coldfront.net and then go to channel #dust514 I've got the IRC client, I just forget how to get into the channel Is it /join #DUST514?
That's the ticket.
Also if you guys pester CCP Logibro we might get a screenshot of the new laser scope! |
Musta Tornius
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
529
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Posted - 2013.07.26 17:18:00 -
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Delta Iddon wrote:Musta Tornius wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Musta Tornius wrote:http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/ <- choose coldfront from the server drop down and enter a nick and go to channel #dust514
I would suggest getting a real IRC client and connect to irc.coldfront.net and then go to channel #dust514 I've got the IRC client, I just forget how to get into the channel Is it /join #DUST514? That's the ticket. Also if you guys pester CCP Logibro we might get a screenshot of the new laser scope! He said he would post it if we DON'T pester him. Also stop hinting to wolfman that the laser's range profile needs changing based on my graphs, the weapon is fine >_<
Logibro loves the attention, really :P
It might be your graph but the data is public and based on it I think the laser rifle needs changing :P |
Musta Tornius
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
533
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Posted - 2013.07.26 19:21:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:So what I got out of this is that Laser rifles are getting new scopes, sweet!
Indeed they are, red dot scope or something like that was the word on the street.
Each paragraph had a different topic so just skim through it for some information. There was armour balance, large railgun projectiles being changed possible, racial melee weapons, how explo splash damage is applied and whatever else. |
Musta Tornius
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
533
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Posted - 2013.07.26 19:25:00 -
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Delta Iddon wrote:
It might be your graph but the data is public and based on it I think the laser rifle needs changing :P
On what basis? The laser rifle isnt used because people think its bad after its supposed nerf and dont want to put sp into the skills.
There is a difference between the weapon not being used and the weapon being underpowered. touching the range performance of it is going to give it huge performance buffs that it doesnt need, it will become FOTM once again and then it will get nerfed, putting us back to where we are now and just wasting time for everyone.
I just personally and I haven't used laser this build, think that the laser is too constrained. Based on your graph, the damage profile goes from 100% to less than 20% in 4m! That is a tiny distance to lose 80% of the weapons power. It seems artifical and it makes the weapon weaker than it needs to be.
Personally I'd like to see a curved damage profile starting at 100% at max optimal and going down to 0% at 250m which is its absolute max range. If it was a linear one then it would keep its power for far too long but if it was a finely tuned curve, then the damaged could be dropped quicker than linearly, but not so much as to totally make the weapon pointless at firing at a target past 89m.
We need more weapon graphs like this, if you consider the assault rifle, its damage curve must be completely different as its optimal range is a lot further from its effective range compared to the lasers. |
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